RECENT 17 Caliber Wildcats. Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3. Velocity about the same. Which one would you build for a fur friendly coyote round and which bullet would you shoot? I used one a fair bit, wore out two tube and said I'd not go back. 5,56x45mm Das Kaliber .223 Remington oder 5,56x45mm ist wahrscheinlich die weltweit meistverbreitete kleinkalibrige Zentralfeuermunition. I have 22LR 22 Hornet 223 Rem 243 Win and I am not sure where the 204 fits in. Bleihaltige Munition .223 Remington online kaufen auf livingactive.de Große Auswahl an Jagdhosen, Jagdjacken und weiterer Jagd Bekleidung verschiedener Hersteller Alles für die Jagd Attraktive Preise Schneller Versand Gratis Versand ab 100-,€ My collection will always include a .223 and .308 rifle. As a hunting cartridge, the .223 is a conundrum. Thanks, Bob. Back to top. Show me that it’s awesome. Add : Rental Price $3.00 . This post was edited on 8/10 at 10:00 am. Ammo price about the same. Basically just a fun toy for plinking paper. Sizzle just waiting to be unleashed! Add : Browse for more products in the same category as this item: 17 Caliber > 17-223 17 Caliber: Categories. Bleihaltige Munition .223 Remington online kaufen auf livingactive.de Große Auswahl an Jagdhosen, Jagdjacken und weiterer Jagd Bekleidung verschiedener Hersteller Alles für die Jagd Attraktive Preise Schneller Versand Gratis Versand ab 100-,€ New for 2007, Remington's .17 Fireball was created by necking-down the .221 Fireball case (itself based on a shortened .222 Remington case) to accept .172" diameter bullets. Im Jahr 1970 entwickelt, wurde die Patrone ein Jahr später in den Markt eingeführt. 204 Ruger or 17 Remington - posted in Guns, Loads, Optics and Gear for Varmint Hunting: Was thinking of getting either a 17 Remington or 204 Ruger but could not decide which one to go with. It can be a great fur round and it is cheaper to shoot for than almost any other centerfire rifle round. No one gives the 17 any love till they see how good they shoot and shoot one in person. I love the .17 Rem and I doubt I'll ever be without one of some type. I handload so commercial ammo is not an issue. I want to fire up an informative debate about the two calibers and rifles. Based on a necked down 223 Remington case, it is generally chambered in bolt rifles, but could be used in AR platforms. With this, the 223 Remington takes another win. Wrapping Up the 224 Valkyrie vs 223 Remington Debate. The .223 Remington/5.56NATO certainly has an interesting military history. The new .17 Fireball boasts an advertised muzzle velocity (MV) of 4000 fps and a 300 yard velocity of 2360 fps with a 20 grain AccuTip-V varmint bullet. (about $10.00 per 100 for .224, to $16.60 per 100 for 17's). The .17 Remington was introduced in 1971 by Remington Arms Company for their model 700 rifles. I It was designed exclusively as a varmint round, though it is suitable for smaller predators. How often will I hunt at long distances? Probably a VERY good idea/thought/suggestion. His 30 grainers have a BC of .270, but take a 9 twist. .223 ends up a little short but can be done in one step using your 17 die. Ammo price about the same. Either gun will just be a range toy or rare varminting. The .223 Remington chambering is the better all ’rounder. In comparison I purchased a .17HMR, heard it was great on the foxs, coons and tree rats. It is based on the.223 Remington case necked down to.172 in (4.37 mm), with the shoulder moved back. Because of its heavier bullet weight and diameter, the velocity of the 6.5 Grendel is lower than the 223 Remington. Leistungs- Reichweiten-Präzisionunterschiede 17 HMR vs. 22 Winmag vs 22 Hornet. With a 23-degree shoulder and a case length of 1.796 inches—the.223 Remington uses a 1.760-inch-long case—the.17 Remington often has a powder charge heavier than its bullet. 204 brass is not something i have ever found at the public range. 5.56 NATO vs. .223 Remington side-by-side (Photo by PalmettoStateArmory) In fact, the 5.56 NATO is pretty much a ‘buffed up’ .223 Remington. Effective range say 150-200 yards. 1. I know the data at hodgdon show the 17/223 as a very close second to the 17 rem but the 17x223 is actually a bit more case volume than the 17 rem so Im thinking it should be able to do all that the 17 rem can and maybe a bit more but like I said I have not got to play with it yet. check out the. In essence it’s a .223 Rem. 223 rem. It has a much flatter trajectory than the.223 being a smaller bullet in a similar sized case. So which one is the right cartridge for you? Now I have never owned a 17 rem. ETC: Is there anything that .17 WSM is better suited for than 223/5.56. 0 0. deren Einflussnahme auf die NATO wurde diese kleinkalibrige Patrone mit geringen Rückstoß und gestreckter Flugbahn ab 1980 als 5,56 x 45 mm als NATO-Patrone eingeführt. you need to get good bullets to hunt yotes and cats and you will not be able to find these … I'm not saying the 223 is a bad round or the 17 is a better overall round. Add : Our Price: $10.00 . The muzzle energy (ME) of the 20 grain bullet is 710 ft. lbs. Basically just a fun toy for plinking paper. cheaper than what 17 hmr costs me. There ARE differences between the .223 Remington as shot in civilian rifles and the 5.56x45 in military use. The 223 is a great round. The 223 is a great round. The costs to shoot are a wash practically to me. 1:9 twist is recommended. It is based on the.223 Remington, necked down to.172 in (4.37 mm), with the shoulder moved back. Prov 17:1. 17-223 REMINGTON For those enamored with using surplus military brass, this is the one for you. will do anything a 17 will do but better and cheaper. 5,56x45mm Das Kaliber .223 Remington oder 5,56x45mm ist wahrscheinlich die weltweit meistverbreitete kleinkalibrige Zentralfeuermunition. The .17 Remington is an excellent varmint round, and the with a drop of just 3.17" at 250 yards this round is great for just that. I have a .17 HMR and I love it. It was designed exclusively as a varmint round, though it is suitable for smaller predators. It was a Remington M-700 BDL, ultimately sold it because it was a pain in the rear to reload..... because the best powders for it.... were stick powders which you will need to hand weigh. never said it can't be done. 223 brass is everywhere and cheap. The 17 i own is a 17 HMR.... which is a rimfire. One example has a 30-degree shoulder. I had some bad experiences with it. It’s a bad dude, but like the other hot .17s, it’s also susceptible to major barrel fouling and crazy wind drift at long range. These work in a 10 twist. The new .17 Fireball boasts an advertised muzzle velocity (MV) of 4000 fps and a 300 yard velocity of 2360 fps with a 20 grain AccuTip-V varmint bullet. but then i started to wonder why not just go with a 17-223? Replies (4) Options Top. The.17 Remington was introduced in 1971 by Remington Arms Company for their model 700 rifles. Somehow shooting a round the same diameter as the old pellet gun I grew up shooting feels good. I have debated for quite a while myself on the .17HMR and whether or not it would be a good buy, moreso for plinking and target shooting and possibly some small game. .22-250 vs .17 HMR. 1. 17 Rem brass isn't always easy to find and 223 brass will be around for a … 17 Rem centerfire, in my opinion is a short range small varmint gun. Copyright © 2000-2020 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Hornady .223 Remington V-Max 3,4g/53grs. Fact vs. Fiction — .223 Rem vs. 5.56x45mm NATO Cartridges. My collection will always include a .223 and .308 rifle. If you have not researched extensively into the 17 center fires, please do so before you rebarrel. It can be a great fur round and it is cheaper to shoot for than almost any other centerfire rifle round. And yes it is possible to neck down 223 brass to make 17 rem. 17-223 IS NOT a 17 Remington! I want to get a 17 REM for prairie dogs and coyotes. Most of those who have worked with this design push the shoulder back to create a longer neck length and sharper shoulder angle. 0 0. One example has a 30-degree shoulder. This is why the military uses it. Don’t tell me that this new caliber is awesome. It has a much flatter trajectory than the .223 being a smaller bullet in a similar sized case. If you are considering a modern sporting rifle, you essentially have to ask yourself two basic questions: Is pricing is a priority? I wouldn't call it boring either, not with the accuracy that it delivers. You can do a bunch of shooting at the range and in competition. At these velocities, the bullets are subjected to all sorts of stresses upon impact, and I’ve seen some over … Show me that it’s awesome. I really like the 25 grain Hornady HP. I have several rifles in 223. 224 Valkyrie vs 223. once we get some warmer temps I will get out and run some loads over the chrony and see what happens. Better a dry morsel with quietness, Than a house full of feasting with strife. nice blood trails but they got away. 204 brass is not something i have ever found at the public range. One example has a 30-degree shoulder. Well, I found out the hard way! It has continued to be a popular civilian hunting cartridge. Januar 2012; Erledigt; 1 Seite 1 von 2; 2; BalticScorpion ***** Erhaltene Likes 13 Punkte 3.738 Beiträge 667 Lieblingswaffe: CZ75 SP-01, Smith+Wesson 617 Target Champion. So which one is the right cartridge for you? And that’s why I … The 20-grain bullet can be pushed to over 4200 fps, and the 25-grain bullet breaks the 4000 fps mark, as well. Either gun will just be a range toy or rare varminting. Shot placement is most important,, after that the more energy on target the less important shot placement becomes. factory rounds suck! the 17rem that a friend had made us mad everytime we hunted with it,accurate yes,but 90%or more groundhogs shot with it made it back to there hole. shoot, I can reload 223 rem. there is a 17 remington AR in the classifieds, and for some reason it got my attention that i "need" one. A few weeks later, my editor had a brainstorm: How about a scientific comparison? If it were me I would make a straight 17 Remington or a 17-204 which is about the same as the 17 Rem for the most part. I never saw a need for the .17 Remington for me but got a Fireball so soon after it was announced that finding ammo and brass was next to impossible. 17-223 is my choice. difference in ballistics from 17-223 to 17-204 is minimal. Personally I'd go with a 204 instead of a 17 rem, main reason I totally hate trying to hold onto those darn lil 17 slugs. Well I decided to make training cheaper I would purchase a Remington 700 .223 , I found a new one on GunBroker for a price I was willing for and purchased it with the intent of putting it in my competition chassis and dropping a Bix & Andy trigger in it. Most varminters in this area know that and have a lot of fun with the newbys that show up..Its hard to make then hold a foot low with there rifles sighted 1.5 inches high at 100 yards and many a Rockchuck has flipped them off. Not shooting down your endeavor here... 17 j's are more money than the bullets I use. Dank ihrer hohen Genauigkeit und Vielseitigkeit ist sie für zivile Schützen wie auch für Militär und Ordnungskräfte geeignet. Stock up here for LESS!. FMJ for straight-shooting paper-punching power, priced to keep you firing all day! The 17 Rem is a heck of a little round IF and only IF you reload! Januar 2012 #1; Hallo, kann mir jemand die Unterschiede der Kaliber 17 HMR, 22 WinMag und 22 Hornet kurz erläutern ? The coyotes that I've shot at 350 + yards with the 17 have expired. An excellent varmint cartridge (if the wind is not blowing too hard) it shoots fast and flat with little noise or recoil. However, If you like to see prairie dogs do back flips at 300yds, you better stay with the 223 or better yet your 22-250. Als Basis diente die .223 Remington, deren Hülsenmund auf das Kaliber .17 eingezogen wurde. A few weeks later, my editor had a brainstorm: How about a scientific comparison? Advantages to the 17 HMR is that it's somewhat less expensive than .223 Remington rounds, the rifles chambered for it are usually less expensive than center fire rifles and the recoil is virtually non existent. It feels even better shooting a projectile at more than twice the weight and twice the speed. Most of those who have worked with this design push the shoulder back to create a longer neck length and sharper shoulder angle. This should be interesting!! A 17 Rem with a 25 grain vmax will do everything better than a 223 if varmints and targets are your medium. Durch drängen der US-Army bzw. I have to agree - when you want to reach out past 300 and touch something the 22/250 gets it done with style. Back to top. DakotaDeer: You and Mark are on the right track - the 204 Ruger in fact is FAR SUPERIOR to both the 17 Remington and the 223 Remington for MOST ALL Varmint applications! BalticScorpion; 1. Depending on your rifles chamber you may or may not have to turn the necks or ream them. Remington 223 kaufen | Remington 223 im Frankonia Jagd Online Shop | Remington 223 für Jäger kaufen auf Rechnung seit 1908 Filialen Katalog 224 Valkyrie vs 223. New for 2007, Remington's .17 Fireball was created by necking-down the .221 Fireball case (itself based on a shortened .222 Remington case) to accept .172" diameter bullets. Die Patrone ist unter folgenden Synonymen bekannt: Synonyme .17 Remington. I pretty much believe the 17s as a joke..They are just too damn hard to maintain and we have too much updraft wind in Idahos Snake River canyon and I have seen that wind move a 22 bullet a foot high at 100 yards. Same with the .22-250, my father-in-law has one and it seemed to be a particularly solid rifle and incredibly accurate past 200 … Most of those who have worked with this design push the shoulder back to create a longer neck length and sharper shoulder angle. Accessories for this reamer... INSURANCE Custom Pilot T-Handle (3-DAY RENTAL) Tap Magic Pro Tap Cutting Fluid with EP, 4oz Our Price: $10.00 . I want to fire up an informative debate about the two calibers and rifles. 17-223 REMINGTON For those enamored with using surplus military brass, this is the one for you. Jetzt den Artikel Hornady .223 Remington V-Max 3,4g/53grs. BalticScorpion; 1. zöllig. Durch drängen der US-Army bzw. 17-223 REMINGTON For those enamored with using surplus military brass, this is the one for you. The .223 Remington is a rifle cartridge, originally developed in 1957 as a commercial hunting bullet for small mid-western varmints; with the first rifle chambered for it coming out in 1963. Im zivilen Bereich, vor allem in den USA, wurde die Patrone als .223 Remington angeboten.Dabei handelte es sich um eine auf Präzision und Wiederbeladbarkeit optimierte Version. This post was edited on 8/10 at 10:00 am. It's based off the.223 case cartridge and the goal was to create better long range bullet, and the.17 Remington fills that niche perfectly. Please note, the following information reflects the estimated average ballistics for each caliber and does not pertain to a particular manufacturer, bullet weight, or But when it … Vintage stamped checkering 700 BDL. The .17 Remington is tougher on barrels and in reality the difference is too small to be significant. Norma is really good brass if you don't want to mess with case forming. I'm not saying the 223 is a bad round or the 17 is a better overall round. They are pushing the Fireball because it's new and the other is old and has had its fifteen minutes of fame. Wrapping Up the 224 Valkyrie vs 223 Remington Debate. Reply. I just want to know about making the brass and how it is working for those doing so. Which means it can shoot faster and harder than the .223. I like the idea of the 204 but I do not like the idea of going with overlapping rounds. The costs to shoot are a wash practically to me. More recent cartridges like the .17 HMR, and the .17 Fireball have been released in the last 10 years and have given other similar rounds some competition. Much flatter trajectory with minimal differences in wind drift. Same with 17 or do I shed too much velocity for clean kills at those ranges with 17? Few people have witnessed or truly understand the vast difference between the dramatic terminal performance of tumbling military ball and the slower, lack luster killing which can occur when chest shooting game using conventional soft sporting ammunition. While the 223 is lethal for close-quarters battles, due to its low recoil, the Grendel 6.5 has double the recoil and slightly less capacity than the 223. Online Shop. Fireball VS .17 Remington Just curious about my options. Replies (4) Share: 0 0. The smallest caliber I own is the .223 and I like it. So I keep coming back to the age old question of 17 rem vs. 222 rem. 22 grains 4198, 25-grain bullet, 3,995 fps 24.5 grains H335, 25-grain bullet, 3,870 fps. I would go with the 223 any time. flat bases. If you have a heavy barrel rifle, the scope doesn't blur when shooting and you get to see the affects when varmint hunting. Dank ihrer hohen Genauigkeit und Vielseitigkeit ist sie für zivile Schützen wie auch für Militär und Ordnungskräfte geeignet. Same with the .22-250, my father-in-law has one and it seemed to be a particularly solid rifle and incredibly accurate past 200 … 223-rem 16.07.2015 Munition: Kaliber .223 Remington bzw. difference in ballistics from 17-223 to 17-204 is minimal. In a rifle chambered for.223 Remington, the round produces chamber pressures upward of 70,000 psi, if going by SAAMI (the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers Institute) standards. Don’t tell me that this new caliber is awesome. Take two identical rifles—one in .224 Valkyrie, the other in .223 Remington—along with identical ammo, and pit them against each other. They didn't die with athority but died.The bullets used were 25 grain Hornady HP'S. 22 grains 4198, 25-grain bullet, 3,995 fps 24.5 grains H335, 25-grain bullet, 3,870 fps. i'll take the 221fb,22-250 or the 204. Please do not misunderstand me. Fireball VS .17 Remington Just curious about my options. With this, the 223 Remington takes another win. Replies (4) Options Top. Because of its heavier bullet weight and diameter, the velocity of the 6.5 Grendel is lower than the 223 Remington. Probably the most popular centerfire rifle round in the Western Hemisphere is the .223 Remington and its metric match, the 5.56x45mm. Leistungs- Reichweiten-Präzisionunterschiede 17 HMR vs. 22 Winmag vs 22 Hornet. 17 Rem brass isn't always easy to find and 223 brass will be around for a … But when it comes to fur hunting the 17 Remington … Diese wies jedoch einige Verbesserungen der militärischen Variante M193 auf. I think Mark has it about right--the 204 has the potential to beat them both. Perhaps on small game, .17 would leave meat more intact than .223? The 20-grain bullet can be pushed to over 4200 fps, and the 25-grain bullet breaks the 4000 fps mark, as well. I have been thinking about buying a Savage 12VBSS in 223 Remington and rebarrel it to either 17 Rem or 222 Rem. Do you guys feel the effective killing distance of a 17 is same as 223? they also will bridge in your powder funnnel while dumping into the case. How often will I hunt at long distances? I have been thinking about buying a Savage 12VBSS in 223 Remington and rebarrel it to either 17 Rem or 222 Rem. Probably a VERY good idea/thought/suggestion. 223 brass is everywhere and cheap. Januar 2012; Erledigt; 1 Seite 1 von 2; 2; BalticScorpion ***** Erhaltene Likes 13 Punkte 3.738 Beiträge 667 Lieblingswaffe: CZ75 SP-01, Smith+Wesson 617 Target Champion. Advantages to the 17 HMR is that it's somewhat less expensive than .223 Remington rounds, the rifles chambered for it are usually less expensive than center fire rifles and the recoil is virtually non existent. Reply. A military version, M193, with a 55-gr full metal jacket bullet was used by the United States Army in the M16 rifle. I loved the idea. ETC: Is there anything that .17 WSM is better suited for than 223/5.56. They'll be just as dead with the 17 rem. I am not. My longest Prairie dog shot has been 577 yards with my 22-250. Perhaps on small game, .17 would leave meat more intact than .223? Add : Our Price: $7.95 . Velocity about the same. Somehow shooting a round the same diameter as the old pellet gun I grew up shooting feels good. 204 Ruger or 17 Remington - posted in Guns, Loads, Optics and Gear for Varmint Hunting: Was thinking of getting either a 17 Remington or 204 Ruger but could not decide which one to go with. Yotes at 250 yards drop like a used condom on a dirt road. Second one was a .223 Rem. re: .17 WSM vs. .223/5.56 Posted by TigerOnThe Hill on 8/10/13 at 10:26 pm to CoastieGM Coastie, I don't have a 17 WSM, but I MIGHT get one later. Take two identical rifles—one in .224 Valkyrie, the other in .223 Remington—along with identical ammo, and pit them against each other. I did get my 17 rem this last week 1/2" groups with initial loads, HAPPY. If you tried the 29 grain boatails from Kindler, it may change your mind, with a BC of .240, ain't nothing like the 'ol 25 gr. P.S. Im zivilen Bereich, vor allem in den USA, wurde die Patrone als .223 Remington angeboten.Dabei handelte es sich um eine auf Präzision und Wiederbeladbarkeit optimierte Version. It sends a 20-grain pill at 4250 fps, making it the most powerful commercially available .17 caliber cartridge. .17 WSM vs. .223/5.56 Posted by CoastieGM on 8/10/13 at 9:49 am. The .223 is just too boring for me. I like the idea of the 204 but I do not like the idea of going with overlapping rounds. My second 17 rem showed up today. I have both and if I was forced (good luck with that) to have only one, I would keep the 17. Remington brachte diese mit bis zu 4.300 bar (nach CIP) ausbaubare Laborierung dann ab 1964 mit der Bezeichnung .223 Remington auf den Zivilmarkt. Yep! The following ammunition cartridge ballistics information and chart can be used to approximately compare .223 Remington vs .25-06 Remington ammo rounds. Diese wies jedoch einige Verbesserungen der militärischen Variante M193 auf. 223-rem 16.07.2015 Munition: Kaliber .223 Remington bzw. I am talking 300 to 400 yards with 223. Vintage Boxes - Gear, Shell, Case, Primer, Group Buys Design, Active , Waiting and Archives, Closed Buys/Waiting for delivery/in shipment, If this is your first visit, be sure to I handload so commercial ammo is not an issue. RECENT 17 Caliber Wildcats. So I keep coming back to the age old question of 17 rem vs. 222 rem. Eurosport: I currently shoot 3 Varminters in caliber 17 Remington! but without the flair. For more fun at the range, or just plinking on the backlot, this bulk-buy .223 Ammo is ready to seal the deal. Not really sure about that since 17 j words are much cheaper. 17 Remington is the 222 Mag necked down with shoulder bumped back. (Kaliber .223 Rem.) I have debated for quite a while myself on the .17HMR and whether or not it would be a good buy, moreso for plinking and target shooting and possibly some small game. I am not. Replies (4) Share: 0 0. RECENT 17 Caliber Wildcats. The muzzle energy (ME) of the 20 grain bullet is 710 ft. lbs. Effective range say 150-200 yards. I went to 30 gn Golds in my 17 Rem. Yes, it is faster than my .22mag but just doesn't get the job done like the .22mag. für 30,60 Euro im Jagd Patronen für Büchsen Online Shop kaufen und auf Rechnung bestellen! The answer is yes and no. All in all the .17 Remington gets the … P.S. .223 Remington vs. 5.56x45--Chambering and Throat Considerations Is the .223 Remington the same as the 5.56x45? While the 223 is lethal for close-quarters battles, due to its low recoil, the Grendel 6.5 has double the recoil and slightly less capacity than the 223. I would avoid the 20 grain V-max though. While the media loves to portray this as a ‘huge assault bullet’ and only meant for use in warfare, the truth is that a .223 round is a relatively small and not particularly powerful. I loved the idea. i see quite a few posts lamenting the lack of availability of 17 rem brass. .17 Remington (.17 Rem.) Easy choice for me, I'd never take a .17. It feels even better shooting a projectile at more than twice the weight and twice the speed. Remington brachte diese mit bis zu 4.300 bar (nach CIP) ausbaubare Laborierung dann ab 1964 mit der Bezeichnung .223 Remington auf den Zivilmarkt. I would anneal your brass first. Januar 2012 #1; Hallo, kann mir jemand die Unterschiede der Kaliber 17 HMR, 22 WinMag und 22 Hornet kurz erläutern ? You need both to most consistently put down game at longer ranges. Does not really matter. Fact vs. Fiction — .223 Rem vs. 5.56x45mm NATO Cartridges. I would love to hear opinions from real hunters not from the armchair professors. Shot 2 Pumpkins, both filled with water through a small cutout in the top. By contrast,.223 Remington tends to produce lower chamber pressures between 52,000 and 55,000 psi, going by SAAMI specs. deren Einflussnahme auf die NATO wurde diese kleinkalibrige Patrone mit geringen Rückstoß und gestreckter Flugbahn ab 1980 als 5,56 x 45 mm als NATO-Patrone eingeführt. I have never felt underpowered using it. With a 23-degree shoulder and a case length of 1.796 inches—the .223 Remington uses a 1.760-inch-long case—the .17 Remington often has a powder charge heavier than its bullet. Probably the most popular centerfire rifle round in the Western Hemisphere is the .223 Remington and its metric match, the 5.56x45mm. 17-223 Remington Schematic. If you are considering a modern sporting rifle, you essentially have to ask yourself two basic questions: Is pricing is a priority? 22 grains 4198, 25-grain bullet, 3,995 fps 24.5 grains H335, 25-grain bullet, 3,870 fps. Well I decided to make training cheaper I would purchase a Remington 700 .223 , I found a new one on GunBroker for a price I was willing for and purchased it with the intent of putting it in my competition chassis and dropping a Bix & Andy trigger in it. not sure you would want a 17 anything. The original 17, this mighty mite was Introduced in 1971 by Big Green. You can load a bit heavier for hunting predators or varminting and since most .223 rifles have that slower twist rate, shorter leade and … Where do you find 22 cal for 10 cents and are they HP or Soft Points? .22-250 vs .17 HMR. Please do not misunderstand me. The.17 Remington was introduced in 1971 by Remington Arms Company for their model 700 rifles. Having said that I think the 17 WSM should be much better than the 223 Rem/5.56 in 2 situations: 1. If its to windy out I can just bring out the 25-06 ackley improved so wind drift isnt a huge thing. I have 22LR 22 Hornet 223 Rem 243 Win and I am not sure where the 204 fits in. 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