If you have more confidence in the harder pellet then by all means use it. I have no doubt any of the pellets in the list will easily kill a chuck with a head shot out to 80 yds and further. My experiments were not very scientific, but I concluded that if fpe is equal or close to equal, the smaller diameter pellet will penetrate deeper. Same held true with another one of my .25's versus .30. Copper coated are 33 percent harder than lead pellets. Today I was outside and saw the hog climbing the fence and getting in. Compare the .22 and .25 unless you just can't recover the critter. It should have plowed right thru no problem but everything happened just right for a deflection. My thought was with the increased diameter, velocity and soft lead of the Airm Arms pellet maybe the pellet was flattening out and not penetrating the groundhog skull well. And is in my opinion The average rockchuck is probably the same size as the average groundhog we also know theres some real porkers out there but all in all very close to each other. There are many PCP air rifles that approach 22lr power without the noise. MY wild cat 25 at 75 yards will punch through 3/4 plywood shooting the jsb heavys Predator poly mags will as well and put a deeper dent in the backer board. We think that it’s the most critical aspect of the two questions, which may put it under the Mom jurisdiction. In my video you can see from the bench with JSB King Heavy at 33.95 grains my rifle is capable of one hole groups at times. Try to get as close as possible and make sure you get a good shot … The best thing you can do after the kill is a dissection of the shot and the wound channel to see how the pellet traveled thru the animal and if it hit where it was suppose to and if it actually damaged the vitals with the path it took after making contact. Some piston guns don't do well with to heavy of a pellet. Monthly Airgun Giveaways! The second video shows me shooting a young groundhog in the large brush pile again which I could not find to check shot placement etc. The Safford officer then arrived at the scene and – after being informed of the situation – arrested Contreras for disorderly conduct and also gave him a citation for shooting the pellet gun in the city limits. It is a .22 caliber pellet gun, not to be confused with a .22 s/l/lr firearm, although using the right ammo such as Aguila Sniper Subsonic, it would be quieter than a pellet gun and no one would know the difference. Particularly those using a .25 caliber pellet rifle. I have killed lots of groundhog like I mentioned in another post with my .22 cal. I have been less than satisfied with the performance of the Air Arms pellets at 25.4 grains on groundhogs. you might needs .22 cal airgun shooting about 1000 fps to try it. It will take a very small change in the pellets path to go from what should have been a quick clean kill into a messy ordeal that needs a quick follow up shot to end the animals suffering. pcp’s with Beeman Kodiaks at 21 grains. Steel BB or 0.177" lead pellet at 200 ft/s will detach part of the coloured portion (iris) of a human eye leaving what appears to be a … I have not shot enough groundhogs yet with the .25 cal. Bill. I had a JSB King heavy mk2 hit a ground squirrel with close to 40 fpe and it deflected. Do you get complete pass through with either pellet or are they exit less shots. All information is provided "as is" with all faults without warranty of any kind, either express or implied. I have some of those chuck kills on video I just havnt had time to make another video for my youtube channel but one day I will get it done, I dont think your problem is FPE or pellets since I have had great results with the exact same pellet and power level out to 80 yds. This is the best .22 air rifle for hunting at $500. Most of the chucks shot with the Daystate have been 30 – 40 yds. Shooting A Groundhog Killing groundhogs isn’t always straightforward, but one way that some people in rural areas will use is to try and shoot the animal. Here's some 411 for you: I once blasted a groundhog at 10 feet with a shotgun loaded with birdshot. You can get muzzle-loading performance from them. Assuming you are shooting a .177, I would say at the very least to invest in some good heavy hunting pellets for the job. promoting the safe shooting, colllecting and use of airguns (pellet guns, bb guns & air guns) in the state of Oregon, and elsewhere. I suspect you will find with the RIGHT pellet your 25 will out preform I’m thinking the smaller cross section of the .22 cal. DRT, just muscle flinching. Proven killer in my gun. Same weight and faster should prove lethal past 100 yards. alot. .177 caliber pellets are too small to humanely kill an animal the size of a groundhog (quick one shot kills every time). Not sure if they are too soft and not penetrating the hard groundhogs skulls or what factors are in play. Its not the pellet failing or the shooter making a bad shot its just murphies law coming into play and theres not much you can do about a deflected shot. of the head, you will have no farther problems. Depends on the pellet gun. You must be logged in to reply to this topic. 100 foot pounds will dispatch much larger animals than 50 foot pounds as well as having much more downrange energy retention. In most ways, compared to a .22LR, a good pellet gun is going to give very little away. I must admit I have never once killed a groundhog with a pellet gun. So you can make a perfect shot and have it deflect just a little and end up with a bad hit. Can You Shoot a Pellet Gun in Your Backyard Safely? what rifle they were using the pellet used and shot ranges. Beware of blindly using the penetration test table. The grandfather who was present at the time isn’t an employee of the local police department, however he surely has some sort of LE connections to have been there. With your 25 if you limit yourself to 30 yrds or so and can place the shot just under the ear from the side If … Most of the chucks shot with the Daystate have been 30 - 40 yds. The facility is for law enforcement only. Benjamin domes or copper coated pellets are an option. My Wildcat .25 is putting out 47 fpe with the Air Arms pellet at 25.4 grains and according to my ballistic chart I still have 20 fpe left at 100 yards out. placement, the limitations of a pellet will likely as not let ya down. Shoulders. That particular gun is running 53fpe and has also taken a number of coyotes with head shots out to 50 yards. I have some of those chuck kills on video I just havnt had time to make another video for my youtube channel but one day I will get it done. And yes, groundhog does taste good. States differ in how they regulate pellet guns. Here is the results of my penetration testing of various pellets through as I remember through 3/8" plywood into clay. Ive dug a trench and put fence 2 feet deep all around my garden to stop the groundhog from getting in. Usually single shot, the force for the pellet comes from a man made cocking mechanism that readies a spring within the gun. A few states and municipalities regulate them the same as all firearms; other states lump them into the "dangerous weapons" category along with other weapons such as long knives and police batons. Just because conventional airguns don't offer firearm performance doesn't make them useless. I don't shoot anything but the MKII. Out in the field I should have no problem holding one inch out to 50 yards as long as I have a steady rest and the wind is not too bad. heavier is always better. So I decided to try some heavier pellets namely the Beeman Kodiak Match at 31.02 grains and the JSB Exact King Heavy at 33.95 grains thinking the extra weight will aid in penetration. AirgunBill if you look at your penetration chart for the the JSB King Heavy it outperformed almost every pellet. I seem to recall, however, that you at one point were going to get a pistol caliber carbine of some sort, yes? pellet penetrates better. Collect a few dead specimens and set up the shot and check the results. If your air rifle can do 25-30, then go for it. Bill, Viewing 20 posts - 1 through 20 (of 24 total). If so, what do you recommend? I would use this as a excuse to buy a nice 22 cal pellet rifle though. My Wildcat .25 is putting out 47 fpe with the Air Arms pellet at 25.4 grains and according to my ballistic chart I still have 20 fpe left at 100 yards out. When you fire this caliber 22 air gun, the action moves backward where the stock absorbs it. You have to keep in mind some of the ways to shoot them or choose carefully the pellets because all the pellets are not the same. 100 foot pounds will dispatch much larger animals than 50 foot pounds as well as having much more downrange energy retention. MY wild cat 25 at 75 yards will punch through 3/4 plywood shooting the jsb heavys The trick is having room to load a longer and heavier projectile which most magazine fed air guns can't do because of the limited gap the magazine fits in. A crossbow is suggested as it is accurate and silent. That may change, and hopefully soon. There was a valid reason that Ralphie’s mother warned him of shooting his eye out, after all. 1 pellet (it is one of the heaviest 22s) = 1 groundhog. You can take a shot from a good distance away and ensure a quick death for the groundhog. By Jordan Reynolds Walsall Crime Published: Sept 8, 2020 Last Updated: Sept 8, 2020. This gun will do 1.5 inch 5 shot groups at 100 yards. And then cook those bad boys up. You can have a lot of fpe at the target but if the pellet is made of soft lead it will have a harder time busting through into a tuff groundhog skull particularly if the shot hits the skull at an angle. It’s very interesting what you are postulating on the diameter and it would be interesting to see if the math matches what occurs in the field. I have shot vht coated pellets and bullets that showed less expansion and deeper penetration out of the same gun as lead. Not only more drag through air but in your target(game). A B.B. As a .177 caliber pellet gun, it is good for a variety of shooting uses. We think that it’s the most critical aspect of the two questions, which may put it under the Mom jurisdiction. Some piston guns don't do well with to heavy of a pellet. If you want to get into the pre-charged pneumatics, that's a different story. Shot placement is key with any caliber airgun. (Deer, hogs, etc.) I had the .30 set to the same 70 fpe as the .25 and the .25 penetrate deeper than the .30. The Gamo Coyote SE PCP Air Rifle is equipped with a multi-shot mechanism with a 10-shot rotary magazine, which is super convenient. yet to find out what is going on. The combination works great for us. I believe your thoughts on diameter are correct Bill. A B.B. You would not find any difficulty in hitting the target because of their decent body size. I don't shoot anything but the MKII. It got the job done very well out to about 35 yards. So I broke out my Condor in .22 caliber that I bought last year from Talon Tunes when I got back into air rifles. A .22 air rifle should take care of a groundhog pretty easily. Winning is as easy as picking a number, no strings attached! There are numerous reasons why this is one of the best air rifles out there, the main being its recoilless action. Bill, fuznut I mentioned in another post I have killed over 200 groundhogs out to 40 yards with a 24 and 34 fpe pellet rifles in .22 caliber. Although The High Road has attempted to provide accurate information on the forum, The High Road assumes no responsibility for the accuracy of the information. I have a Remington air rifle. Particularly those using a .25 caliber pellet rifle. I have not shot enough groundhogs yet with the .25 cal. Not talking alot, but if memory serves correct, maybe .25"-.50" at 30 yards into modeling clay. As you will see in the video the JSB’s certainly meet the first requirement for accuracy. Speaking of shoulders, aiming for a hog's front shoulder when in a broadside position will also guarantee a quick death. Adult air rifles are very powerful today. I was wanting to know if a 177cal pellet gun could kill a groundhog thats about 25 yards away with a head shot? I want to know if it is legal to discharge a pellet gun in the city limits in my backyard. My thought was with the increased diameter, velocity and soft lead of the Airm Arms pellet maybe the pellet was flattening out and not penetrating the groundhog skull well. If not a lung shot. I assume if you had to ask you do not own a PCP air rifle. Yours truly, Michael Wendt - Owner. The performance of the gun is really good — it’s easy to shoot and really accurate, perfect up to 50 yards in fact. I know I have not shot enough with the Wildcat in .25 caliber to say it won’t do the job but I know I had good success with my .22 calibers with less fpe. Monday, November 3, 2008 . airgun forum. In Safford, it is against ordinance 9.16.010 section D to discharge “any air gun, ‘B-B’ gun, gas-operated gun or any instrument, toy or weapon . And,my .25 Mrods shoot them a VERY close second in accuracy to the JSB 25.39. A .25 would have absolutely no trouble. Though as stated above I have not had issue with the .25 killing groundhogs, my .22 at close to equal fpe does penetrate deeper than my .25. 177 pellet @1200 fps will give you ~32 ft. lbs of energy. **Kill zone size is determined by either an effective head shot or shot to the vitals that should facilitate a clean, 1 shot kill. DRT, just muscle flinching. I took a rockchuck with a head shot at 80 yds and the JSB King penetrated completely thru the skull with the pellet stopping just under his skin on the far side of the skull right at his cheek bone.I dug that pellet out and kept it I do have a pic of the chuck and pellet if anyone is interested. If you can hold 3/4" at 50 yards a head shot is good. Years ago when I was taken out a lot of groundhogs one of the rifles I was using was a Talon SS in .22 cal. away or less. Read Michael Pendley’s practical groundhog recipe here and watch him cook it here. I wont give up .5 accuracy with the softer JSB to a harder pellet that gives me twice the size in groups that JSB get. So to me and as mentioned by you accuracy and shot placement is the limiting factor. I've never owned any kind of a weapon so I'd appreciate any help at all here. Postmortem autopsy should do the trick. My best guess is that you have a much higher sectional density with your heavy for caliber 22. First and foremost, pellet guns are likely the best choice for introducing the art of shooting to youngsters. If you can hold 3/4" at 50 yards a head shot is good. Killing animals with airguns takes everything to be done right in order to have a quick humane kill. I am not saying airgunbill has made bad shot placements. I say get a nice 20 yard shot with a domed heavy pellet. The major con of spring powered pistons is the higher recoil as a result of the piston motion, which also has the potential to effect accuracy. There was a valid reason that Ralphie’s mother warned him of shooting his eye out, after all. It is when you extend the range or choose some other Pellet guns are fun for shooting cans off fences, shooting at targets and trying to hit branches in a tree; but a pellet gun can really hurt another person so always practice safe shoot procedures, especially when you choose to go out hunting with your pellet gun. We have just had a statement from Greater Manchester Police. That is why I was hoping to hear from some fellow groundhog hunters using an .25 cal. I say get a nice 20 yard shot with a domed heavy pellet. I just can't explain the difference. I actually have it on video and if I didnt have the video I would be thinking the shot placement was bad when it was good and just deflected. 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